{"id":29726,"date":"2020-04-24T09:49:45","date_gmt":"2020-04-24T09:49:45","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/catalog.obitel-minsk.com\/blog\/?p=29726"},"modified":"2020-04-24T09:49:45","modified_gmt":"2020-04-24T09:49:45","slug":"questions-youve-always-intended-to-ask-about-orthodox-worship-but-never-got-around-to-it","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/catalog.obitel-minsk.com\/blog\/2020\/04\/questions-youve-always-intended-to-ask-about-orthodox-worship-but-never-got-around-to-it","title":{"rendered":"Questions You\u2019ve Always Intended to Ask about Orthodox Worship but Never Got Around to It"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-29729 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/catalog.obitel-minsk.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/1998CAM_2019_07_19_20_30_05_FN-DESKTOP-RVUJ5L0-12.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"700\" height=\"467\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">I originally intended this to be a short introduction to a new series on the Divine Liturgy, but somehow it got out of control, so we\u2019ll make this an article by it\u2019s own, and we\u2019ll talk about the Divine Liturgy later.<\/p>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: center;\">1.\u00a0 Is Orthodox worship really \u201cunchanging\u201d?<\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Today, yes. But long ago, no. Obviously how Our Lord celebrated his Last Supper with his disciples on Holy Thursday night was very different from what we do now. In the early centuries, there was a fairly long period of liturgical development in the Orthodox Church. Let\u2019s concentrate chiefly on the Divine Liturgy here.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">What follows below is greatly oversimplified. Any liturgical scholars reading this (and I\u2019d guess none are!) will probably throw up their arms in horror, so please correct any errors.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Our Divine Liturgy originally derived from\u00a0two chief sources: The first part came from the Jewish Synagogue service. If you visited a synagogue even today you\u2019d see the similarity:<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0P<\/span>salms, prayers, Bible readings and a sermon.\u00a0<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">The scroll of the Law is carried out ceremonially, rather like our Gospel reading.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">The latter part of our Divine Liturgy, the taking, blessing and consuming of Bread and Wine,\u00a0<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-9666 alignleft\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.ancientfaith.com\/frbill\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/35\/2019\/10\/mystical-supper.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"264\" height=\"204\" \/>came directly from our Lord Jesus Christ at the Last Supper when he commanded, \u201cTake, eat\u2026 Take, drink\u2026. Do this for the remembrance of me\u201d.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span>This part of the Liturgy also has roots in the Jewish Passover Meal, Jewish temple sacrifices \u2013 but even in pagan religious meals, since the Jews found \u201cTake, eat. This is my Body\u201d deeply offensive.\u00a0<em>John 6:60-70\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">The early Fathers took these two sources and united them, establishing the basic form of the Divine Liturgy as we know it.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">The Liturgy used in\u00a0<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-9667 \" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.ancientfaith.com\/frbill\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/35\/2019\/10\/st-jame.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"94\" height=\"127\" \/>Jerusalem was called the Divine Liturgy of Saint James \u2013 brother of the Lord, first Bishop of the city.\u00a0<em>right \u00a0<\/em>Surely the core<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0of it came from him. It is still the normal Divine Liturgy in the Syriac Orthodox churches. The Oriental Orthodox have their own forms of the Liturgy. All of these are\u00a0<em>much<\/em>\u00a0longer than ours.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Originally there were many Orthodox liturgical traditions, which in time gathered around a few chief cities. The basics\u00a0<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-9668 alignleft\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.ancientfaith.com\/frbill\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/35\/2019\/10\/st-basil.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"90\" height=\"122\" \/>of our Byzantine Liturgy were standardized in the fourth century\u00a0by Saint Basil the Great\u00a0<em>left<\/em> and\u00a0Saint John Chrysostom\u00a0<em>right\u00a0<\/em>who, when he was taken from Syria to become Patriarch of Constantinople, brought much of the Liturgy of Antioch along with him.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Since then, Orthodox worship has been almost \u201cunchanging\u201d \u2013 but not quite.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0Even after the time of Saints Basil and Chrysostom slow liturgical development continued. For\u00a0example, the Trisagion Hymn was not added till the Fifth Century. In the Sixth Century the Emperor Justinian directed that the hymn \u201cOnly begotten Son and Word of God\u201d be sung in the Liturgy.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">However, the text of our Divine Liturgy has changed little since then. Our Lectionary (schedule of Scripture readings ) seems to be the same as the one on which Saint John Chrysostom based his Biblical sermons.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0Some other changes: The early practices of\u00a0frequent reception of the Eucharist and congregational singing fell away over the years. The use of icons appears to have increased\u00a0considerably\u00a0after the end of the Iconoclastic controversy. The usual Sunday Liturgy in Byzantine practice was Saint Basil\u2019s, till it was replaced by Saint John Chrysostom\u2019s, except on certain days. The Priest\u2019s\u00a0Preparation before Divine Liturgy wasn\u2019t added to the text till the Middle Ages \u2013 though it probably existed informally long before then. And that\u2019s about it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">Today, try to change anything\u00a0about\u00a0the Liturgy, and it would result in a popular uprising! Many people e<\/span>ven resist the attempt to recover the traditional practices of frequent Communions and congregational singing.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">So: No new experimental\u00a0<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-9683 alignleft\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.ancientfaith.com\/frbill\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/35\/2019\/10\/lit-4.jpg\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 291px) 100vw, 291px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogs.ancientfaith.com\/frbill\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/35\/2019\/10\/lit-4.jpg 800w, https:\/\/blogs.ancientfaith.com\/frbill\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/35\/2019\/10\/lit-4-768x513.jpg 768w, https:\/\/blogs.ancientfaith.com\/frbill\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/35\/2019\/10\/lit-4-750x501.jpg 750w\" alt=\"\" width=\"291\" height=\"194\" \/>forms of worship here! When non-Orthodox speak of \u201crecent\u201d changes to their services, they mean a year ago. When we Orthodox speak of \u201crecent\u201d changes, we mean 1600 years ago.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Why did Orthodox worship take a fixed form? Think of it like this. When a family is new, it takes a while to establish its traditions. For example, when and where and how an American family will celebrate Thanksgiving Day. (We once hosted our grandmothers. Now that we are the grandparents, our daughter hosts us.) Or take Christmas: when our kids were little we opened gifts on Christmas morning. Once these customs are established, so long as a family is happy and settled, try to change things and the children will fight back! We once asked our teens whether we should open gifts on Christmas Eve. \u201cNO! We\u2019ve always opened them on Christmas morning!\u201d and that was the end of that. Human families come and go, and so their customs change. But the Holy Orthodox Church is a Family which is happy and settled, generation after generation. And so today, Orthodox people resist change in the Divine Liturgy. I think there must be something unsettled in the core of the Western denominations today, which causes them to keep forever changing the way they worship.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">But as for us Orthodox\u2026 should I tell you this one for\u00a0<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-9673 size-full alignright\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.ancientfaith.com\/frbill\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/35\/2019\/10\/how-long.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"210\" height=\"230\" \/>the umpteenth time? \u201cYes!\u201d they all cried.\u00a0Alright, if you insist:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">If we were to suffer severe long-term persecution, like the Great Persecution of the Fourth Century, and we had to retreat from our churches and celebrate the Divine Liturgy in secret places where the sound of chanting and the smell of incense would give us away to the authorities, the Liturgy would probably be celebrated much more simply for a while. By God\u2019s mercy may that time never come.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Today, I can go to Orthodox churches in Greece, and (except for the language), everything is done almost exactly as it is at Saint Nicholas, Cedarburg, Wisconsin. However it should be noted that<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0various Orthodox jurisdictions have developed an unfortunate\u00a0difference about which calendar to use, so we Orthodox sing the same things but not always at the same time!<\/span><\/p>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: center;\">2.\u00a0 Why do we have fixed forms?<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">It\u2019s because the forms of our worship services are like keys on a computer or on a piano.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>We could vary the location of piano keys. We could put low notes on the right and high notes on the left. Middle C could become High C. Or on the computer, put the Q on the right for a while, then change it to the middle of the keyboard.\u00a0<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-9705 size-full alignleft\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.ancientfaith.com\/frbill\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/35\/2019\/10\/keyboard.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"364\" height=\"138\" \/>But the whole purpose of the keyboard is not to have novel experiences with it, but rather to use it to express ourselves through it.\u00a0<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">How could I write this Blog if I had to struggle to use a new keyboard each time!? \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">I think\u00a0the big problem with computers today is that somebody out there in the stratosphere is forever upgrading the system, so we just begin to get the old one mastered, and whoops! they\u2019ve changed it again, and we\u2019re back to stumbling over the technique, and we spend too much of our time not using the computer but trying to figure out how to use it. No! No! If it\u2019s working, leave it alone!<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Just so, Orthodox forms of worship hold still so we can use them to worship God, instead of stumbling over them.\u00a0<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">T<\/span>he forms are intended to become second nature to us, so that we can express ourselves through them without having to think about them \u2013 so that they become invisible, so to speak, and instead of seeing them we see God through them. Most Orthodox people don\u2019t need to follow the books during worship. They just worship.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Orthodox worship does have some variety from day by day and season by season: many variable hymns sung usually by the choir or cantors, but the congregation\u2019s parts change almost not at all, and haven\u2019t for these many centuries.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0\u201cNow please open the Red Hymnal and turn to page 67\u2026\u201d \u00a0\u201cToday\u2019s intercession is on page 249\u2026\u201d What a distraction to actual worship. Not here!<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-9707 alignright\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.ancientfaith.com\/frbill\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/35\/2019\/10\/epistle-book-155x200.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"155\" height=\"200\" \/>And<em>\u00a0all<\/em>\u00a0the parts of Orthodox worship are indeed everywhere fixed:<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span>The pastor does not pick out the Bible readings he likes.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0He follows the appointed Lectionary.\u00a0<\/span>The deacon doesn\u2019t decide what we should pray for.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span>The choir director doesn\u2019t select her favorite hymns.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0These are all provided by the Church,\u00a0<\/span>so we will hear the whole Gospel of Jesus Christ, the wisdom of the Church, the teachings of the Fathers \u2013 not the favorite Scripture readings of the Priest, or the wisdom of the Deacon, or the teachings of Choir Director.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Before I was Orthodox I was attending Vespers in an Orthodox church here in Milwaukee. The choir was desperately short of people, so I was invited up to help. What did I know about Orthodox Vespers? but I could sing. At one point we all got confused about what came next, so a visiting priest from Ghana came over and showed us what was the next hymn. Orthodoxy is like that \u2013 with very minor exceptions, the same everywhere, and it has been for centuries. The only change comes if a new saint emerge, for whom new hymns would be composed and sung on his or her feast day.<\/p>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: center;\">3.\u00a0 Why are Orthodox services so \u00a0l \u00a0o \u00a0n \u00a0g?<\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">I once heard Father John Meyendorff answer that question.\u00a0He said with a smile on his face, \u201cBecause Orthodox like it that way.\u201d Of course our services could be done more quickly and more efficiently. I hear that in Spain the Tourist Mass is down to 11 minutes now! If that\u2019s what you\u2019re interested in\u2026 don\u2019t be Orthodox.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Because Orthodox love to worship, Orthodox love to be with God. When you\u2019re doing something you love, when you\u2019re with someone you love, you don\u2019t hurry. You don\u2019t think of it as an obligation or a duty to get over with quickly. You linger over it. You try to prolong the experience. And we Orthodox definitely know how to prolong our experience of worship!<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0When I was Episcopalian, if a\u00a0<\/span>service lasted over an hour, I began to get restless. When I came to Orthodoxy at first I felt the same: \u201cPlease, can\u2019t we move this along?\u201d But I soon learned that if we are truly seeking God,<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-9676 alignleft\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.ancientfaith.com\/frbill\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/35\/2019\/10\/clock-no-hands.png\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 163px) 100vw, 163px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogs.ancientfaith.com\/frbill\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/35\/2019\/10\/clock-no-hands.png 225w, https:\/\/blogs.ancientfaith.com\/frbill\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/35\/2019\/10\/clock-no-hands-150x150.png 150w, https:\/\/blogs.ancientfaith.com\/frbill\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/35\/2019\/10\/clock-no-hands-200x200.png 200w\" alt=\"\" width=\"163\" height=\"163\" \/>\u00a0worship becomes timeless. Or rather our earthly time is lifted up into eternity. I was once at a bishop\u2019s consecration which lasted all morning. The time seemed to pass quickly. Although I must admit that the fourteen hour All Night Vigil on Mount Athos was a bit more than I could handle! Even the monks had to take breaks from time to time.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><em>Source: <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.ancientfaith.com\/frbill\/146-questions-youve-always-intended-to-ask-about-orthodox-worship-by-never-got-around-to-it-part-one\/\">https:\/\/blogs.ancientfaith.com\/frbill\/146-questions-youve-always-intended-to-ask-about-orthodox-worship-by-never-got-around-to-it-part-one\/<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I originally intended this to be a short introduction to a new series on the Divine Liturgy, but somehow it got out of control,&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":29729,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[104],"tags":[25,11,24],"class_list":["post-29726","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-qa-with-an-orthodox-priest","tag-orthodox-how-to","tag-qa","tag-quick-facts"],"aioseo_notices":[],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/catalog.obitel-minsk.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/1998CAM_2019_07_19_20_30_05_FN-DESKTOP-RVUJ5L0-12.jpg","views":{"total":377,"cached_at":"","cached_date":1767824696},"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/paPyw9-7Js","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/catalog.obitel-minsk.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/29726","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/catalog.obitel-minsk.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/catalog.obitel-minsk.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/catalog.obitel-minsk.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/catalog.obitel-minsk.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=29726"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/catalog.obitel-minsk.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/29726\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":29730,"href":"https:\/\/catalog.obitel-minsk.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/29726\/revisions\/29730"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/catalog.obitel-minsk.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/29729"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/catalog.obitel-minsk.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=29726"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/catalog.obitel-minsk.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=29726"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/catalog.obitel-minsk.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=29726"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}