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		By: Paula		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I want to first start by thanking the author who wrote the following article titled, &quot;Where Does Orthodoxy End and Heresy Start?&quot; 

I am by no means an expert in regards to theological written works however, I do embrace the wonderful teaching of the Orthodox Church in the Russian, Greek, and Romanian languages. 

When I read the wonderful and eloquent passage from the treatise “On the Trinity” by St. Hilary of Poitiers, I resonate with the idea of God the Son. Jesus Christ,  who suffered and died on the cross to deliver us from the original sin. His crucifixion is truly an unconditional act of love because God the Father has sent his only Son, Jesus Christ to die on the cross. Why one may ask? For us! In order to wash us all of our sins. 

The Holy Trinity is one. The Holy Trinity was created before time, God the Father is one with the Son (Jesus Christ) and the Holy Spirit. All have different roles however, they are all one entity. Think of the Holy Cross. 

According to Malov (2022), &quot;Jesus Christ suffered blows, hanging, crucifixion, and death: but the suffering which attacked the body of the Lord, without ceasing to be suffering, had not the natural effect of suffering.&quot; One may understand this quote as Jesus Christ being part of the Holy Trinity. He is one with God the Father and has the support of the Holy Spirit. One can argue that God the Son (Jesus Christ) is directly connected with God the Father and the Holy Spirit, in order to endure the immense pain and suffering through the crucifixion. I think the Resurrection on the cross can arguably be the power of both God the Father and the Holy Spirit working simultaneously. I will connect with the Holy Creed. 

The Creed: The Symbol of Faith 
I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of Heaven and Earth and of all things visible and invisible. 

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the only-begotten, begotten of the Father before all ages. Light of light; true God of true God; begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father, by Whom all things were made; Who for us men and for our salvation came down from Heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and became man. And He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered, and was buried. And the third day He arose again, according to the Scriptures, and ascended into Heaven, and sits at the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead; Whose Kingdom shall have no end.

And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of Life, Who proceeds from the Father; Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; Who spoke by the prophets.

In one Holy, and Apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. I look for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.

I mostly reside with the words of Jesus Christ  when he was nailed on the Cross &quot;Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.&quot; Here, God the Son, Jesus Christ is asking God the Father directly to forgive humanity for their sin. These words are truly moving and hold a transcending dimension. 

As St. Hilary mentioned, &quot;Christ’s pain and suffering in the same way as one appreciates the intensity of hunger, thirst, or disappointment. Christ experienced all of the above, but not under all circumstances, as He was nourished by divine powers.&quot; I think this quote is true, since God the Son, Jesus Christ is the only-begotten, begotten of the Father before all ages. Light of light; true God of true God; begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father, by Whom all things were made; Who for us men and for our salvation came down from Heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and became man. 

Thank you and God Bless, Paula]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to first start by thanking the author who wrote the following article titled, &#8220;Where Does Orthodoxy End and Heresy Start?&#8221; </p>
<p>I am by no means an expert in regards to theological written works however, I do embrace the wonderful teaching of the Orthodox Church in the Russian, Greek, and Romanian languages. </p>
<p>When I read the wonderful and eloquent passage from the treatise “On the Trinity” by St. Hilary of Poitiers, I resonate with the idea of God the Son. Jesus Christ,  who suffered and died on the cross to deliver us from the original sin. His crucifixion is truly an unconditional act of love because God the Father has sent his only Son, Jesus Christ to die on the cross. Why one may ask? For us! In order to wash us all of our sins. </p>
<p>The Holy Trinity is one. The Holy Trinity was created before time, God the Father is one with the Son (Jesus Christ) and the Holy Spirit. All have different roles however, they are all one entity. Think of the Holy Cross. </p>
<p>According to Malov (2022), &#8220;Jesus Christ suffered blows, hanging, crucifixion, and death: but the suffering which attacked the body of the Lord, without ceasing to be suffering, had not the natural effect of suffering.&#8221; One may understand this quote as Jesus Christ being part of the Holy Trinity. He is one with God the Father and has the support of the Holy Spirit. One can argue that God the Son (Jesus Christ) is directly connected with God the Father and the Holy Spirit, in order to endure the immense pain and suffering through the crucifixion. I think the Resurrection on the cross can arguably be the power of both God the Father and the Holy Spirit working simultaneously. I will connect with the Holy Creed. </p>
<p>The Creed: The Symbol of Faith<br />
I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of Heaven and Earth and of all things visible and invisible. </p>
<p>And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the only-begotten, begotten of the Father before all ages. Light of light; true God of true God; begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father, by Whom all things were made; Who for us men and for our salvation came down from Heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and became man. And He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered, and was buried. And the third day He arose again, according to the Scriptures, and ascended into Heaven, and sits at the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead; Whose Kingdom shall have no end.</p>
<p>And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of Life, Who proceeds from the Father; Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; Who spoke by the prophets.</p>
<p>In one Holy, and Apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. I look for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.</p>
<p>I mostly reside with the words of Jesus Christ  when he was nailed on the Cross &#8220;Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.&#8221; Here, God the Son, Jesus Christ is asking God the Father directly to forgive humanity for their sin. These words are truly moving and hold a transcending dimension. </p>
<p>As St. Hilary mentioned, &#8220;Christ’s pain and suffering in the same way as one appreciates the intensity of hunger, thirst, or disappointment. Christ experienced all of the above, but not under all circumstances, as He was nourished by divine powers.&#8221; I think this quote is true, since God the Son, Jesus Christ is the only-begotten, begotten of the Father before all ages. Light of light; true God of true God; begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father, by Whom all things were made; Who for us men and for our salvation came down from Heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and became man. </p>
<p>Thank you and God Bless, Paula</p>
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		By: Cel		</title>
		<link>https://catalog.obitel-minsk.com/blog/2022/06/where-does-orthodoxy-end-and-heresy-starts#comment-6058</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2022 18:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://catalog.obitel-minsk.com/blog/2022/06/where-does-orthodoxy-end-and-heresy-starts#comment-6054&quot;&gt;StyliteZeal&lt;/a&gt;.

Do you really believe that God will not save people outside of the Church even though they confess Christ?  The thief on the cross was not baptized in the name of the Trinity nor did he take Holy Communion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://catalog.obitel-minsk.com/blog/2022/06/where-does-orthodoxy-end-and-heresy-starts#comment-6054">StyliteZeal</a>.</p>
<p>Do you really believe that God will not save people outside of the Church even though they confess Christ?  The thief on the cross was not baptized in the name of the Trinity nor did he take Holy Communion.</p>
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		By: StyliteZeal		</title>
		<link>https://catalog.obitel-minsk.com/blog/2022/06/where-does-orthodoxy-end-and-heresy-starts#comment-6055</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StyliteZeal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2022 16:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://www.orthodoxwitness.org/the-ultimate-goal-of-ecumenists-is-to-mix-up-the-faithful/]]></description>
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		By: StyliteZeal		</title>
		<link>https://catalog.obitel-minsk.com/blog/2022/06/where-does-orthodoxy-end-and-heresy-starts#comment-6054</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StyliteZeal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2022 15:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[See: https://nftu.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/20225749_104356546921568_3454451627920982016_n.jpg

Heretic Protestants and Papists are not my &quot;brothers in Christ&quot;. You must join the Orthodox Church to be saved. If ecumenism bore good fruit, it would have resulted in the conversion of the heterodox that it came in contact with. No, it has utterly failed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See: <a href="https://nftu.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/20225749_104356546921568_3454451627920982016_n.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">https://nftu.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/20225749_104356546921568_3454451627920982016_n.jpg</a></p>
<p>Heretic Protestants and Papists are not my &#8220;brothers in Christ&#8221;. You must join the Orthodox Church to be saved. If ecumenism bore good fruit, it would have resulted in the conversion of the heterodox that it came in contact with. No, it has utterly failed.</p>
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		By: Hieromonk Alexis (Lisenko)		</title>
		<link>https://catalog.obitel-minsk.com/blog/2022/06/where-does-orthodoxy-end-and-heresy-starts#comment-6051</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hieromonk Alexis (Lisenko)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2022 00:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree wholeheartedly that Sophiology and other similar teachings cannot be called heretical. They fall under the category of theologumena, which, rather than contradicting basic Orthodox dogma, make speculative additions to it in areas where there is ambiguity. But there is yet another area of Orthodox life than has been labeled heretical by many, and which is referred to as ecumenism. The problem here is that there is no specific doctrine or ideology by that name. It simply describes the practical engagement by certain Orthodox Churches or their representatives in dealing with heterodox bodies for a variety of reasons. Although everyone involved undoubtedly wishes that ultimately Our Lord&#039;s prayer that &quot;they all may be one&quot; would be realized, none of the Orthodox participants seek to accomplish this by uncanonical or unscriptural means. And there is no evidence that any of the participants would betray Orthodox principles by their participation -- none of them have done so.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree wholeheartedly that Sophiology and other similar teachings cannot be called heretical. They fall under the category of theologumena, which, rather than contradicting basic Orthodox dogma, make speculative additions to it in areas where there is ambiguity. But there is yet another area of Orthodox life than has been labeled heretical by many, and which is referred to as ecumenism. The problem here is that there is no specific doctrine or ideology by that name. It simply describes the practical engagement by certain Orthodox Churches or their representatives in dealing with heterodox bodies for a variety of reasons. Although everyone involved undoubtedly wishes that ultimately Our Lord&#8217;s prayer that &#8220;they all may be one&#8221; would be realized, none of the Orthodox participants seek to accomplish this by uncanonical or unscriptural means. And there is no evidence that any of the participants would betray Orthodox principles by their participation &#8212; none of them have done so.</p>
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		By: StyliteZeal		</title>
		<link>https://catalog.obitel-minsk.com/blog/2022/06/where-does-orthodoxy-end-and-heresy-starts#comment-6050</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StyliteZeal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2022 21:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[p.s. I know the main subject of the article is Bulgakov&#039;s &quot;moderate&quot; Sophiological system and not Solovyev&#039;s, but the difference is between something that&#039;s just a needlessly convoluted theology we never needed, and bare headed outright heresy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. I know the main subject of the article is Bulgakov&#8217;s &#8220;moderate&#8221; Sophiological system and not Solovyev&#8217;s, but the difference is between something that&#8217;s just a needlessly convoluted theology we never needed, and bare headed outright heresy.</p>
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		By: StyliteZeal		</title>
		<link>https://catalog.obitel-minsk.com/blog/2022/06/where-does-orthodoxy-end-and-heresy-starts#comment-6049</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StyliteZeal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2022 21:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I disagree that condemnation of Sophiology was mistaken; ROCOR confessed traditional Orthodoxy instead of caving in to WCC ecumenist syncretism like other jurisdictions did to some degree. Honestly, the safest thing is to be leery of any &quot;new&quot; Orthodox theology; there are only three saints in the entire history of our Church with the title of &quot;Theologian&quot;. And Solovyev&#039;s take on Sophiology was outright Gnosticism aided by demonic visions he had, not Orthodox at all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree that condemnation of Sophiology was mistaken; ROCOR confessed traditional Orthodoxy instead of caving in to WCC ecumenist syncretism like other jurisdictions did to some degree. Honestly, the safest thing is to be leery of any &#8220;new&#8221; Orthodox theology; there are only three saints in the entire history of our Church with the title of &#8220;Theologian&#8221;. And Solovyev&#8217;s take on Sophiology was outright Gnosticism aided by demonic visions he had, not Orthodox at all.</p>
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