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		By: Reader John Malov		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2022 06:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://catalog.obitel-minsk.com/blog/2021/08/why-are-ancient-greek-philosophers-depicted-in-orthodox-churches#comment-6626&quot;&gt;mostafa younesie&lt;/a&gt;.

Dear Mostafa,

Good day! Sorry for replying that late. I cannot single out a particular treatise. To a greater extent Aristotle was influential not by a specific text, but by the way of thinking, by the logic itself. And most importantly, the philosophical language itself, terms and concepts introduced by Aristotle (e.g. concepts like &#039;δύναμις&#039;, &#039;ἐνέργεια&#039;) have been adopted by the Church for Christian theology and philosophy. 

Wishing you peace in Christ,
rdr. John]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://catalog.obitel-minsk.com/blog/2021/08/why-are-ancient-greek-philosophers-depicted-in-orthodox-churches#comment-6626">mostafa younesie</a>.</p>
<p>Dear Mostafa,</p>
<p>Good day! Sorry for replying that late. I cannot single out a particular treatise. To a greater extent Aristotle was influential not by a specific text, but by the way of thinking, by the logic itself. And most importantly, the philosophical language itself, terms and concepts introduced by Aristotle (e.g. concepts like &#8216;δύναμις&#8217;, &#8216;ἐνέργεια&#8217;) have been adopted by the Church for Christian theology and philosophy. </p>
<p>Wishing you peace in Christ,<br />
rdr. John</p>
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		By: mostafa younesie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2022 16:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Reader John Malov
Greetings. I have read your writing  &quot;why-are-ancient-greek-philosophers-depicted-in-orthodox-churches&quot;. Regarding Aristotle and among his treatises, has any treatise read or emphasied or had a special status? 
best wishes,
Mostafa]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Reader John Malov<br />
Greetings. I have read your writing  &#8220;why-are-ancient-greek-philosophers-depicted-in-orthodox-churches&#8221;. Regarding Aristotle and among his treatises, has any treatise read or emphasied or had a special status?<br />
best wishes,<br />
Mostafa</p>
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		By: marcus		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2022 01:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://catalog.obitel-minsk.com/blog/2021/08/why-are-ancient-greek-philosophers-depicted-in-orthodox-churches#comment-6070&quot;&gt;Jay&lt;/a&gt;.

Observing and chatting with many Protestant friends also lead me to conclude that their endeavors to divorce themselves from Greek thought lead to bigger problems. These schools of thought were replaced with hyper rationalism from the scientific revolution and American culture. The fruit of which is a lack of mysticism and that the totality of reality is only in the physical realm. All strains of the mystical aspects of Christianity is stripped out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://catalog.obitel-minsk.com/blog/2021/08/why-are-ancient-greek-philosophers-depicted-in-orthodox-churches#comment-6070">Jay</a>.</p>
<p>Observing and chatting with many Protestant friends also lead me to conclude that their endeavors to divorce themselves from Greek thought lead to bigger problems. These schools of thought were replaced with hyper rationalism from the scientific revolution and American culture. The fruit of which is a lack of mysticism and that the totality of reality is only in the physical realm. All strains of the mystical aspects of Christianity is stripped out.</p>
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		By: Jay		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2022 14:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What a person does prior to becoming converted isn&#039;t a &quot;route&quot; to Christ. We don&#039;t believe that St. Mary of Egypt need to be a whore prior to being a saint. Additionally, why would be need Greek philosophy as a tutor when the tutor is no longer needed? The Law was not followed by Christians as a tutor after Christ, why should Greek philosophy be? 

The unfortunate truth is that you are ultimately right. Christianity was profoundly affected and developed by Greek thought and is deeply indebted to Greek philosophy for it&#039;s underpinning on the &quot;one God&quot; and trinitarian concepts. When these concepts (one god and trinity) are traced backwards, we end up at Greek philosophy &quot;truths&quot; going back to Plato and rooted in Homer. As protestant theologies that seek to divest themselves from Greek origins develop we see a general lack of coherence and rational thought. There is no Hellenistic Christianity. It is all Christianized Platonism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a person does prior to becoming converted isn&#8217;t a &#8220;route&#8221; to Christ. We don&#8217;t believe that St. Mary of Egypt need to be a whore prior to being a saint. Additionally, why would be need Greek philosophy as a tutor when the tutor is no longer needed? The Law was not followed by Christians as a tutor after Christ, why should Greek philosophy be? </p>
<p>The unfortunate truth is that you are ultimately right. Christianity was profoundly affected and developed by Greek thought and is deeply indebted to Greek philosophy for it&#8217;s underpinning on the &#8220;one God&#8221; and trinitarian concepts. When these concepts (one god and trinity) are traced backwards, we end up at Greek philosophy &#8220;truths&#8221; going back to Plato and rooted in Homer. As protestant theologies that seek to divest themselves from Greek origins develop we see a general lack of coherence and rational thought. There is no Hellenistic Christianity. It is all Christianized Platonism.</p>
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		By: Mark		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2021 21:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[John -----------------------------------------

Thanks for the quick reply.

You might check out the following volume: 

Socrates and Other Saints: Early Christian Understandings of Reason and Philosophy (Kalos) Paperback – January 31, 2017
978-1498278737
by Darius Karlowicz (Author), Artur Sebastian Rosman (Translator), Remi Brague (Foreword)

It&#039;s on my shelf, ready to be read soon, and at least looks topical.

Thank you for your articles, be blessed and well,

Mark]]></description>
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<p>Thanks for the quick reply.</p>
<p>You might check out the following volume: </p>
<p>Socrates and Other Saints: Early Christian Understandings of Reason and Philosophy (Kalos) Paperback – January 31, 2017<br />
978-1498278737<br />
by Darius Karlowicz (Author), Artur Sebastian Rosman (Translator), Remi Brague (Foreword)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s on my shelf, ready to be read soon, and at least looks topical.</p>
<p>Thank you for your articles, be blessed and well,</p>
<p>Mark</p>
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		By: Reader John Malov		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2021 17:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://catalog.obitel-minsk.com/blog/2021/08/why-are-ancient-greek-philosophers-depicted-in-orthodox-churches#comment-5540&quot;&gt;Mark&lt;/a&gt;.

And with your spirit!

Dear brother in Christ Mark, thank you for your comment. 
I&#039;m sorry to say this, but I couldn&#039;t find any studies. Though I recommend searching tags like &quot;philosophers, orthodoxy, iconography&quot; in Google Scholar.  
If there is none, make one :) 

God bless you!]]></description>
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<p>And with your spirit!</p>
<p>Dear brother in Christ Mark, thank you for your comment.<br />
I&#8217;m sorry to say this, but I couldn&#8217;t find any studies. Though I recommend searching tags like &#8220;philosophers, orthodoxy, iconography&#8221; in Google Scholar.<br />
If there is none, make one 🙂 </p>
<p>God bless you!</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2021 02:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Reader John -----------------------------------

Peace be with you!

Please, are there any extensive studies on this matter, academic and otherwise, especially regarding typical iconography and artistic tropes for the portrayal of pre-Christian philosophers (e.g. the texts on their scrolls)?

Thank you for your help, and for offering this article to us.

Mark]]></description>
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<p>Peace be with you!</p>
<p>Please, are there any extensive studies on this matter, academic and otherwise, especially regarding typical iconography and artistic tropes for the portrayal of pre-Christian philosophers (e.g. the texts on their scrolls)?</p>
<p>Thank you for your help, and for offering this article to us.</p>
<p>Mark</p>
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		By: Reader John Malov		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2021 12:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://catalog.obitel-minsk.com/blog/2021/08/why-are-ancient-greek-philosophers-depicted-in-orthodox-churches#comment-5039&quot;&gt;Hernán&lt;/a&gt;.

You&#039;re welcome!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://catalog.obitel-minsk.com/blog/2021/08/why-are-ancient-greek-philosophers-depicted-in-orthodox-churches#comment-5039">Hernán</a>.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re welcome!</p>
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		By: Hernán		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2021 12:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you!]]></description>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Reader John Malov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2021 11:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://catalog.obitel-minsk.com/blog/2021/08/why-are-ancient-greek-philosophers-depicted-in-orthodox-churches#comment-5037&quot;&gt;Hernán&lt;/a&gt;.

Hello, Hernán!

St. Justin&#039;s view on philosophy is presented in his work &quot;Dialogue with Trypho&quot;.
It is definitely worth reading, so go for it :)]]></description>
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<p>Hello, Hernán!</p>
<p>St. Justin&#8217;s view on philosophy is presented in his work &#8220;Dialogue with Trypho&#8221;.<br />
It is definitely worth reading, so go for it 🙂</p>
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